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Questioner: How can a person go beyond maya or illusion? Even when a person is truly good, a good bhaktha, however much he tries, he is unable to elevate his status in life. Is this because of maya? Sadhguru: There is a man in Namakkal(a district in Tamilnadu), a Hanuman bhaktha. I never meddle with him because he is a very simple being. Hanuman is the path for him. Hanuman is everything for him and anything he asks for gets answered for him. For him it is like this. Even this yoga program – he does not know what yoga is. He is too simple a being. For him Hanuman is everything. So he went to Hanuman and asked him if he should go to the yoga program and apparently Hanuman told him that it is good and he could go. It gets answered for him somehow, it does not matter whether a flower falls, or something else. That is not the point. That man is so simple and so sincere that it will definitely work. Somebody just has to say, “Hanuman” and tears will flow out of his eyes. It is fantastic for a man to be like that. If I just hug him, he will go into ecstasies because he is just on the verge. I make fun of temples, I say, “Hanuman is a monkey, he is not God.” I say many things in front of him, it does not matter to him because he sees Jaggi also only as Hanuman. That’s how he sees. For him, Jaggi is also another form of Hanuman. He feels the same vibrations here. You say whatever nonsense you want about Hanuman, he will happily sit and listen. It is okay with him! Immediately after the program he will go straight to the temple. It is fantastic for a man to be like that. It is very easy, just like that everything will fall in place for such simple folk.It is not Hanuman, it is your own consciousness. How you hold yourself is everything. What you hold as you is God. If you are sincere enough, if the logical mind is eliminated and you ask this question with love, God is right here. Because you cannot see it directly, if you see it in the form of Hanuman, it is okay. It is a beautiful device if it works. If Hanuman is just about going and putting vada mala or jilebi mala and then you start the barter, then you are a fool. For you, temples should be destroyed; but if there are people like this Hanuman bhaktha, we must build temples. It is needed. If people are like this, a temple is a great instrument.
